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Post  Sweeney on Sat Dec 08, 2012 1:32 pm

Jamie's Series 1 1500 Special (WIP)

...Loading Him Up After The Deal Very Happy

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...At His New Home Very Happy

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...After A Good Scrub And a Winter Coat Of Waxoil Just To Keep The Weather Off While Im Doing The Formal Stuff Very Happy

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...Plenty To Keep Me Busy Very Happy ...It'll make One! Wink
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Looking good!

Post  Jimbo on Sat Dec 08, 2012 4:23 pm

I like that colour a lot Jamie Very Happy

I imagine after a good t-cut or something, and good polish and wax, it'll come up lovely, despite the rusty edges - the weather is too crappy for serious full scale paint jobs I reckon at the moment.

Looks like the interior is in need of recovering, much like mine really - that's going to cost isn't it? Weird how the interiors were often brown, yet the outside paint job could be blue, or red or whatever - it does work 'tho Cool

Got any pics of your father in law's car yet (hope that's his relation to you, it's late and I'm old Rolling Eyes ).

Doesn't it make a massive difference on the forum when you can see pictures of other people's cars? I've not seen what a standard air filter looks like as mine was missing - these are really rare cars now Shocked

Oh, and I totally love the Quartic steering wheel - there was one on Ebay last week, and I nearly bought it just as an ornament, but decided if other people were bidding, maybe they had an actual car it needed to go on, and their need was greater than mine!

Keep us posted on how your resto is getting on - I'm hoping to do a day or two next week on mine, weather permitting Very Happy

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Post  Sweeney on Sun Dec 09, 2012 3:31 am

...Here's Charlie's Series 2 Vanden Plas 1500 (WIP)

...The Day He Took Delivery February 2012 Very Happy



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...A Lot More To Follow Very Happy

...Thanks very much Jim for the kind feedback, its very encouraging & very much appreciated Wink
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Post  Sweeney on Sun Dec 09, 2012 4:04 am

...The paints gone flat and crazed on my boot lid, o/s/r quarter & front wing tops, its had a quick flash over to tidy it up im guessing around 10 years ago but its not been done very well as far as prep is concerned and its been done in basecoat and laquer, - that method does not work anymore and dont stand very well for very long at all, but im going to wet flat it by hand and try a gentle buff and see how it goes just for now but i'll probably have it painted in the spring anyway cus what rusty bits you see in the pictures, that really is all it has on the entire car so its worth doing to keep it in good order Wink

...I dont want a split mint one at the end of the day because I want to use it regular and as much as I can Very Happy
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Post  Jimbo on Sun Dec 09, 2012 7:30 am

Excellent!

Charlie's VdP is a series 2, the same as mine I think, and has many of the chrome and trim mine is missing, so it's good to know what I need to source Very Happy

I like his green colour too - mine is the only one I've seen with an unloveable paint job, but that will change, I'd love to see underbonnet and interior pics too Cool

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Post  Sweeney on Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:25 am

...Here's a video of Charlie's Very Happy

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Post  Sweeney on Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:32 am

...I shall have a good picture shoot session very soon on both cars with details of the re-trim inside the VP, all the fabric panels including the headlining we have re-upholstered from scratch with brand new foam and fabric all the way thru, everything re-done inside what isnt leather Wink
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Nice video

Post  Jimbo on Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:30 am

Congrats on the first Allegro video on this site (that I know of) Laughing

That is one clean motor, I don't think mine will ever get that mint Crying or Very sad

There's loads of Vanden Plas livery on his car that mine hasn't, like on the engine and the centre console, and on the mudflaps, I wonder if they're add-ons and not factory fitted?

Keep the images coming Jamie, most helpful and of course interesting Cool

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Post  Sweeney on Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:46 am

...Yeah its got extra badges stuck allover the place that it didnt leave the factory with, it came with all those already fitted by the previous owner id guess.
Its getting ready for a bit of tlc on close inspection but it'll be ok for about another 2 summers then it'll be time to start thinking of having another paint.
It does stand well and look the part but they only stay nice if you dont use them, we both bought them to drive rather than trailer them around shows to pose and just look at ...Its not what we'r about Wink
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Post  Andy Perman on Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:40 pm

that's a great colour car you've got there Jamie, Quite rare too I think it's one that was put on very early cars for the first 18 months (ish) of production then deleted due to poor sales.

Your rusty bits seem to be in the same area's mine has gone. Top of the sidelights/bonnet panel quite scabby on mine & the wing/front panel seam. Got a day off Thursday, i'll grab some pictures of my 'old girl' & share. Andy.

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Post  Sweeney on Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:04 pm

...Thanks Andy very much! Very Happy ...I feel kind of lucky to have found it really as time goes by, ive only had it for 3 weeks tho and i found it on car and classic on the net, its been stood outside for at least 6 years and 'off the road' for 10 years, it didnt need a massive amount of work the get thru the mot, i was very suprised.
I didnt expect it being virtually on the road within 10 days of owning it thats for sure and so far its been an absolute pleasure to work on with no age related bolt issues - its doing really well Very Happy


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Post  Sweeney on Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:20 pm

***Update - Now On The Road - How Many Left Should Be Showing 2 Allegro 1500 SP's (Manual) Anytime Soon! Very Happy ***
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Post  Jimbo on Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:40 pm

Sweeney wrote:***Update - Now On The Road - How Many Left Should Be Showing 2 Allegro 1500 SP's (Manual) Anytime Soon! Very Happy ***

Result Cool Laughing

Rarer than an E-type Jag mate Cool

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Post  Sweeney on Sat Jan 19, 2013 5:43 am

...bought him a few bits Very Happy
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Post  Jimbo on Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:54 am

I like the trinkets, I'm not quite ready for them yet, got too much else to spend on first, and the Missus is not happy with that either Embarassed

MInd you, I could sneak them by her and say they were in the boot or something when I bought it Twisted Evil

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Post  Sweeney on Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:10 am

...yeah "Jamie/Andy had these going spare" Razz

Ive got pics todo of results of suspension pumper uppering next, just had that done, it looks a bit 'suprised' now Very Happy or even a bit - Shocked sort of Wink
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Post  Andy Perman on Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:26 am

Like those bits & bobs Jamie!! Years tax for £40 - phew those were the days eh?? Very Happy I've noticed a VP key-fob on the bay too - Hmm tempting.

Look forward to the pump up pic's. Interested to see your trim height which I think is measured from the wheel centres to the wheel arch? This is something I think I'll need to get done, but not found anyone local who can do this for me.

I've no updates to post - working solid since christmas, and now the snow is here so workshop is now freezing cold. No

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Post  Sweeney on Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:57 pm

...had a quick measure today, 380mm rear and 340mm front at the moment from the wheel centres as you said Andy, the book says thats where the trim height should be measured - from the hub centre to the arch, 360mm all round +/- 10mm with a full tank of fuel. Id guess that the gas part of the units is getting weak by now so i may look at the mod with valves fitted on the gas side to repressurise that part aswell as the fluid. Its quite an involved job but ive got my head around it & its worth doing. Reason why im looking into it is we'r sat a bit high on the back and slightly low on the front where id like it level and a touch lower than it is now, early motors off the line were quite low against the later cars, not by alot but noticable so in the intrim im going to run it for a few miles as is and look at it again later after plenty of digging around with whats what, ive even looked into the conversion kits available for the MGF's and what could be used borrowed from other motors set ups etc. Any input at this stage just fire away Very Happy

The said VP Keyring is a nice one with the black gel centre, I know a bloke who has one by the way just by chance Wink

A good bit of info here on hydragas and further down the page is a link for recharging 'Maxi spheres' which is the same job for Allegro units Very Happy

http://www.aronline.co.uk/blogs/cars/mg-cars/mgftf/technical-hydragas-explained/
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Post  Andy Perman on Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:55 pm

Really interesting article that Jamie esp the 're-charging' bit. Scary too as the suspension looks to be by far the most technically challenging part of these cars Embarassed

Now my understanding is this - the fluid is used to set the trim height and provide an interconnecting medium between front and rear. It is essentially hydraulic and therefore provides no springiness or damping. The nitrogen filled sphere does that bit, effectively an expansion vessel in reverse - sort of Smile So with the car on level ground - if all is well it should sit level, front/rear ratio equal, provided by the interconnect front to rear. Also if there is plenty of springiness this would indicate the nitrogen charge is OK. If this wasn't then the suspension would effectively be the hydraulic part only plus a little spring from the reaction rubbers above the displacer units probably resulting in a very hard ride. I would think this 'hardness' would be magnified after a fluid re-charge as the already depleted nitrogen would be further compressed thus reducing the possible damper travel.

So, if you have differences in trim height and/or hard ride - possibly time for a nitrogen re-charge which looks as scary as hell!! Or 4 of NOS damper units (which I've never seen on e-bay). Really interested if you go for this Jamie as it's not something i've considered up till i read that article. Whether the drill out & re-charge route, or possible interswap with newer (MGF?) damper units? I know I do need my trim height re-setting as car is sitting a little low. Springiness seems 'OK' though, but don 't have a new car to compare it too so it's all subjective Embarassed Andy.

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Post  Jimbo on Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:18 pm

very interesting stuff, I must admit I'm not as pleased with the ride quality of my car as I was expecting Surprised

It's been twenty odd years since my last Allegro, so perhaps time and expectations have changed, but I could swear my old one was far better - I'd love to take a ride in a known good motor.

I'm sort of dreading going into this, as it's bound to get expensive, but I guess if we all have a dig around, we might solve the mysteries of Allegro suspension between us Very Happy

I ran across a little business called Maximise Mini's in Leeds the other day, whilst looking for bits, and the owner, Max, specialises in BL stuff, and runs a little car club, he might know his stuff with this. He lives about four streets away from me it turns out, and always has really rough looking old cars outside his house, his business is even worse Laughing

Not loving this weather, going a bit stir crazy at the moment Crying or Very sad

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Post  Sweeney on Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:38 pm

...thats exactly it Andy & how it is, in extream cases the fluid could take the place of all or most of the gas section of the spheres and near on hydraulic lock like the Metros did later on in life but in our case the front to back link would allow a bit of movement where as the Metros were 4 individuals upto about 1990, mine is sat now at 380mm rear and 320mm front, it seems the weight of the engine would be pushing the fliud back into the rear displacers like a see saw and it is sitting up at the back quite a lot, looks a bit daft if im honest - but that then changes the theory with the fluid controlling the ride height, so even then its still trial and error with re-fluid charging aswell as re-gas charging. If the car comes up level front and rear within +/- 10mm of 360mm as a rough guide it could be considered that the units are still good on the gas side and just charge the fluid side to the right height but when there is a 60mm diffrence between front and rear ride height its starting to point to problems - probably on the front units first or indeed all 4 - the short answer could be individualising valves replacing the link tubes then you could trim the car to how you want it but apparently theres issues with the handling then - we could do with talking to a few more thats sorted this and the best way todo it Wink
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Post  Sweeney on Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:25 pm

...Shot a few pics today Very Happy

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Post  Sweeney on Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:44 pm

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Post  Andy Perman on Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:13 pm

Really like that colour Jamie, looks superb and I bet it's as rare as hell. Do you know what the name of the colour is? maybe ask in the Allegro club as it looks like one of the four early launch colours. You have different wheel trims too, much nicer than the standard types & really suits the car. Engine bay looks clean and tidy too.

See what you mean about the trim height sitting higher to the rear, the front looks spot on but as you say the weight of the engine is probably forcing the rear to raise up more via the interconnecting fluid. What puzzles me is how the nitrogen charge would affect this? If the front nitrogen charge was low, then yes it would sit lower at the front, but why would it cause the rear to rise up? Unless of course the rear charge is OK & the front low, maybe?? Proof would be to swap front & rear displacer units over, but that sounds awfully complicated.

See you have plenty of snow there too, getting fed up with this cold now spring cannot come soon enough!!

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Post  Sweeney on Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:46 pm

Its 'Brazil Metallic' Paint Code: BLVC109 - Just Bronze on the logbook, I can see a little progress myself now and where ive been, little bits and bobs here and there all coming together steady, the arches would look fuller if it had the correct e-series spec tyres fitted 155/13's but its wearing 145/13's at present, all over half worn so i'll be looking at a full set of new ones in the spring. It is pushing its fluid about front to back cus i filled it up today and its sitting level at the moment, im going to do a couple hundred miles in it as is and see if it settles any then look at it again, ride quality is good but same as Jim said I cant remember what they were like when they were young cars and nobody i know at the moment does either so i'll just have to see how we get on untill meeting a few at shows ect.
Ive got new front and rear screen bead on its way, clips and the roller tool to fit it, probably a bit arse about face but im enjoying doing the details, brightens it up a bit, do a bit, drive a bit - keeps the old motivation up Wink
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